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: Enlightened right now? No. : Someday perhaps? Yes. : First of all, I don't know what you mean about posting similar message in many places. I've only made a few posts here and if you've seen the name "lindes" elsewhere, it ain't me. But if you read something similar to my posts, that's good - whether women like you like it or not, there's a movement that says motherhood/womanhood should be respected and that the selfish trends of women over the past thirty years have really hurt all of society. I just advocate very simple principles that have been outlined by a great many other females who see what's happening to the species and have the courage to speak out, which is good. I myself have read quite a few posts on some of the (yuck) "mommy" boards and whenever the posters express their opinions about moms at home - (it's called traditional feminism or a variation of the terms, and no, it's not at all useless), they pretty well get blasted from all directions - even by SAHMs which is something I find hard to believe. My only conclusion is that those particular SAHMs must be really miserable ladies. But I fully support those posters who support the principles of mom at home, dad as breadwinner, teaching children well, rejecting societal convention. : Although your post is pretty trite (it's been said SO many times by neglectful "working" mothers or lazy SAHMs), I'll go ahead and reply: : : : But don't you see that some people need to work and are not rich or even middle class on one salary and can still be committed parents? : * * You don't pay attention very well, do you? Motherhood IS work, it IS a job - a CAREER! Please comprehend. : : : Yikes! What about widows or single Moms whose husbands ditched them through no fault of their own? What would happen to all of the schools if everyone homeschooled? : * * Oh brother, you must not be very sharp to not understand that anyone who advocates that mothers should stay home with their children, would NEVER include widows or those who've been abandoned. But regarding single mothers: females need to be taught that it's irresponsible to have a child without the complete support and dedication of a male partner. It's not a difficult concept to understand really, just apparently impossible for some females to use restraint and self-control. They also have absolutely zero self-esteem. : : I think it's better not to judge others. : * * Are you kidding? Your ENTIRE post aimed at me is just that - judgmental. So that also makes you a hypocrite, yes? : : Everybody walks their own path; some may be better for children than others and it's fair to talk about those routes and choices on those terms. But completely worthless? Come on. : * * Yep, COMPLETELY WORTHLESS. That goes for a great many SAHMs as well as the much-esteemed "working mothers" - if you haven't noticed the rampant worthlessness, you're most definitely NOT paying attention to the world around you. And that "walking their own path" business is just fine as long as no one gets hurt in the process, but that's not the case these days, is it? Children pay high prices for the selfish choices of their mothers, and so does society. : : Some men are wonderful as homemakers and it's not fair or right to discount what they do. You may not like it, but men and women have changed and while I agree that it's not natural or desirable to leave children with strangers for so many hours, men and women today are both equally able to seek employment, although it is interesting to note that women don't stick with it as much when children enter into the picture, for good reason. : * * That statement is without basis in fact. From every single piece of research I've found, not one man is truly "happy" as a homemaker, because their natural instincts have been stripped away by the cat-scratching alpha-earners. There are indeed many men who are wonderful around the house, who are clean and help out as they can. But to expect them to be the primary keeper of the home, when the female is perfectly capable of doing so, is wrong. And you're also wrong in that not many women give up their "career" when children enter the picture. : : : Hallelujah. This sounds more reasonable. In general I agree that you're right, but would change it to parents. And what if not working causes mothers to become "welfare queens" or poor? Then they need to leave your world, I fear. : * * Well, it is my goal after to all, to sound "reasonable" to someone like you. Again, you refer to mothers "not working" - STOP IT and learn some respect! : : not one of us agrees with most of your points . . . : * * Gosh, and I so hoped you would. : : : do use sex to get help in the house and with the kids and sometimes things (vacation, clothes, etc.) : * * Egad, I couldn't believe what I was reading. I actually read it again a couple times just to be sure that I read what I read. That sounds kind of prostitution-ish, don't you think? No, that's EXACTLY what it sounds like. Prostitution. Talk about low self-esteem and lacking adult skills to be a part of a successful marriage. I guess I understand why you are not dedicated to the career of motherhood and being a SAHM. I'm sorry you gals are so unhappy. You REALLY use sex and think that's your "power?" What's sadder, that women would admit such a thing or that they'd actually use that as a weapon? If a woman uses sex to get help around the house or to get material items, she has not only personal problems, but serious marital issues as well. There's a problem with hubby, with wife, with the whole marriage. So instead of posting on these kinds of boards or having hen parties, perhaps your time would be better spent educating yourselves, developing self-esteem, being more competent women, wives, mothers, and engaging your partner in honest communication so that both parties can reach an agreement regarding a fair division of responsibilities and expectations. That's just the right and sensible way to approach a marriage. To use sex as a bargaining tool to get what you want is unfair and selfish, it's a blight on womanhood, it's dangerous and a clear indicator of a failing marriage. I'm sorry for you and your friends. : Have a great day.

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